John L. LIZMORE

Male Abt 1775 - Aft 1822  (> 47 years)


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  • Name John L. LIZMORE 
    Born Abt 1775  New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died Aft 03 Jul 1822  New Brentford, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Person ID I342  Bob-Millie Family Tree
    Last Modified 12 Oct 2022 

    Father Lords of Lismore (CONJECTURE ONLY) 
    Relationship natural 
    Family ID F278  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Mary UNKNOWN
              b. Abt 1771, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 30 Jul 1856, New Brentford, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 85 years) 
    Married London? Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. James (1st) LIZMORE
              b. 02 Dec 1795, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 21 Aug 1847, Grand Union Canal, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 51 years)  [natural]
     2. Caroline LIZMORE
              b. 05 Nov 1797, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [natural]
     3. Robert LIZMORE
              b. 01 Jan 1800, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Dec 1870, Dartford, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 70 years)  [natural]
     4. John LIZMORE
              b. Abt 1809, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. 27 Oct 1837, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 28 years)  [natural]
     5. Elizabeth LIZMORE
              b. Abt 1816, Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Aft 1871, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 56 years)  [natural]
     6. Mariann LIZMORE
              b. 1821, New Brentford, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location
              d. Bef 1861, New Brentford, Middlesex Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age < 39 years)  [natural]
    Last Modified 12 Oct 2022 
    Family ID F277  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Photos
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    John Lizmore: witness to trial at the Old Bailey
    John Lizmore: witness to trial at the Old Bailey

  • Notes 
    • NOTE 1./ E-mail from 9-19-2002, from Kevin Church:

      At long last I have now been for my first visit to the London Metropolitan Archives and had a look through the parish records for New Brentford ! I spend three hours trawling through microfilms, with the following conclusions !
      1/ Confirmed Robert's baptism as Jan 19, 1800 and have a copy of that records
      2/ Confirmed his elder sister, Caroline as baptised in New Brentford on Nov 2, 1797
      3/ I could not locate, James (b1795), however I already have him as baptised in Hanwell. Where did we get his birth date of New Brentford in 1795 from ?
      4/ Marriage Banns for John Lizmore and Mary Ann Beamon both of New Brentford Parish in 1859.
      5/ Other Lizmores that I cannot attach: James 19.3.1816, Elizabeth 25.7.1824, Mary Anne 20.7.1828 - I found these on transcipts which did not provide details of the parents -
      6/ I also found the following that we were already aware of James 26.05.1822, Charles 18.12.1825 and John 24.06.1832
      7/ Apart from those I found no other Liz(s)mores in the following documents for New Brentford
      Baptisms (1750 - 1837)
      Burials (1760 - 1805) and (1813 - 1843)
      Marriages (1618 - 1837)
      8/ I also located some Boxall's - George 11.12.1803, William 18.08.02, Mary Ann 05.08.1798 all children of William and Mary Boxall.

      In conclusion, it appears that Lizmore's were not around New Brentford much before 1797, I suspect that had previously been in Hanwell (the next parish). So the next visit will be to have alook at the parish records for Hanwell. Also as my family history studies continue I now understand other records that may be beneficial to us - there may be a Settlement certificate covering their movement between parishes, I also want to find records from the poor house that Robert and Elizabeth died in. This link shows the work house as it is today http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Brentford/Brentford.html

      NOTE 2./ Brentford, Middlesex, England Information:
      Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Acton; Brentford; Chiswick; Hanwell; Isleworth; Twickenham.
      GRO volumes : III (1837-51); 3a (1852-1930). Acton, Chiswick, Ealing, Great Greenford, Hanwell, Heston, Isleworth, New Brentford, Old Brentford, Perivale, Twickenham, Twyford Abbey (from 1862).
      Registers now in Hounslow, Ealing and Richmond upon Thames districts.

      NOTE 3./ The Proceedings of the Old Bailey 3rd July, 1822
      <<http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/html_sessions/T18220703.html>>

      Original Text:
      1038. BENJAMIN HEWITT was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of May, one watch, value 15 s., 14 shillings, and four sixpences, the property of Robert Lowick , from his person .

      JOHN LIZMORE . On the 26th of May, about nine o'clock in the morning, I was at the King's Head, public-house, Orchard-street, Westminster, and saw Lowick come in with the prisoner; he was in liquor. He called for a pint of beer, and drank to the prisoner, and asked him to lend him a shilling, saying that he had no money; he lent him one. Then the prisoner said,

      "Let us have six-penny worth of rum and water." Lowick was going to sleep - the prisoner held the rum and water to his mouth, and put some into his mouth, and the rest ran down his bosom, but he fell asleep directly. I then saw the prisoner put his right hand into Lowick's right-hand pocket, and turn all his money out, and put it on the table; he was going to count it, but seeing me look at him, he put it all into his own right-hand pocket, and kept asking Lowick to drink more; but he was so stupified, he could not answer him. I then saw him take his watch; he was going to put it in his own pocket, but I said,

      "Stop, that is not yours - you have robbed the man of his money before." I called the landlord, and wanted him to give the landlord the money and watch to keep for the prosecutor; he said I was a liar, and struck at me two or three times; he gave the watch to the landlord, but denied having the money. I sent for an officer. Betts came, and asked him what money he had in his pocket when he came from home; he said 7 s. or 7 s. 6 d., not more; and if he had more, it was not his. Betts found in his right-hand breeches pocket 14 s., four sixpences, and one penny. He said nothing; he was rather tipsy, but knew what he was about.

      ROBERT LOWICK . I did not know the prisoner before; I saw a man at the public-house door - I cannot say it was him. I said,

      "Old gentleman, will you take a draught of porter." I was drunk, and did not know what happened; I had been in liquor the night before - I believe I was more drowsy for want of sleep than drunk - I knew nothing about what happened to me. When I was told of it, I found I had lost 16 s. or 18 s. and my watch.

      Prisoner. Q. You said, if I would take care of your money and watch, you would be glad - A. I recollect nothing of the kind.

      HENRY BETTS . I took the prisoner to the watch-house. I asked what money he had; he said, 7 s. or 7 s. 6 d. I found 14 s. and four sixpences on him; he said, if he had more than 7 s. 6 d., he did not know how it came there. He had been drinking, but was quite sensible; he said nothing of its being given him to take care of; the landlord gave me the watch.

      (Property produced and sworn to.)

      THOMAS DEBENHALL . I saw the prosecutor about twenty minutes before seven o'clock that morning; he had been drinking, but knew what he was doing.

      GUILTY . Aged 36.

      Confined One Year , and Publicly Whipped .

      Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice Burrough.

  • Sources 
    1. [S2241] The Proceedings of the Old Bailey 3rd July, 1822.
      Original Text:
      1038. BENJAMIN HEWITT was indicted for stealing, on the 26th of May, one watch, value 15 s., 14 shillings, and four sixpences, the property of Robert Lowick , from his person .

      JOHN LIZMORE . On the 26th of May, about nine o'clock in the morning, I was at the King's Head, public-house, Orchard-street, Westminster, and saw Lowick come in with the prisoner; he was in liquor. He called for a pint of beer, and drank to the prisoner, and asked him to lend him a shilling, saying that he had no money; he lent him one. Then the prisoner said,

      "Let us have six-penny worth of rum and water." Lowick was going to sleep - the prisoner held the rum and water to his mouth, and put some into his mouth, and the rest ran down his bosom, but he fell asleep directly. I then saw the prisoner put his right hand into Lowick's right-hand pocket, and turn all his money out, and put it on the table; he was going to count it, but seeing me look at him, he put it all into his own right-hand pocket, and kept asking Lowick to drink more; but he was so stupified, he could not answer him. I then saw him take his watch; he was going to put it in his own pocket, but I said,

      "Stop, that is not yours - you have robbed the man of his money before." I called the landlord, and wanted him to give the landlord the money and watch to keep for the prosecutor; he said I was a liar, and struck at me two or three times; he gave the watch to the landlord, but denied having the money. I sent for an officer. Betts came, and asked him what money he had in his pocket when he came from home; he said 7 s. or 7 s. 6 d., not more; and if he had more, it was not his. Betts found in his right-hand breeches pocket 14 s., four sixpences, and one penny. He said nothing; he was rather tipsy, but knew what he was about.
      DIALOGUE TRUNCATED.......

      GUILTY . Aged 36.
      Confined One Year , and Publicly Whipped .
      Second Middlesex Jury, before Mr. Justice Burrough